Cylinder cushions are OBSOLETE!

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  • #234302

    Armadillo
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    Upgrade your skates with the new reversed cone and hourglass cone schemes, and then throw your old low-performance cylinder cushions away.

    You never imagined how much super responsive turning and powerful cushion snap back was possible with EVERY SKATE until you do the Super Cone Upgrade with reversed bottom cone and hourglass upper cones.

    The rules:
    1) bottom REVERSED cone (or half-cone) must be firmest Red or firm Purple
    2) Hourglass cones must be softer than bottom one – Purple or Yellow
    3) If kingpin hole is very large with gap around kingpin, place thin nylon washer between tip of reversed cone and truck.
    4) Make sure lower hourglass cone touching truck is a snug fit and engaged with the truck lip, as this is only thing keeping truck centered on kingpin.
    5) If there is not enough room for Full height cones hourglass, then cut some urethane off each pointy end, and some more off ONLY the big end of upper cushion that touched the plate nut, as neede to fit the hourglas.

    Be warned, this is like a Formula 1 skate upgrade as far as boosting the turning responsiveness.

    -Armadillo

    #266579

    personne
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    😯 😯 😯
    sorry but the reversed cone bushing makes no sense : you loose stability, rebound an precision when turning.
    barrel offers stability and limit the lean. normal cone offers more lean, less stability and less rebound. reversed cone offers more lean but that’s all. a softer normal cone will offer as much lean + stability and rebound. a smaller barrel bushing would also be a better solution than a reversed cone.

    hourglass bushing is all but new. all Holey longboard trucks are stock equipped with hourglass bushings :

    For any truck, the upper bushing must be softer or as soft as the lower : it supports more efforts + assure most part of stability. the upper assure the rebound + a small part of stability.

    The only interesting thing I see ist the flat washer which assure more lean without losing stability.
    http://www.jast-longboarding.eu/catalog/images/sabre.jpg

    #266580

    Armadillo
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    Your comment tells me that YOU HAVE NOT TRIED what I posted.

    BTW, when I said « new » cone schemes I meant for use on quads, and I meant NEW WAYS of installing them.

    If you use MEDIUM-FIRM with the upper hourglass and then even FIRMER (90A-100A) on the REVERSED bottom cones you do NOT loose much stability, and the rebound nearly doubles, along with the degree of sharpness that you can turn. How can this be possible? Because you end up cranking the adjustment down more and the reversed cone allows MORE URETHANE COMPRESSION. This allows the urethane to be working over a more energetic range of the urethanes compression limits, as the action turns. Despite being more compressed and firmer cushions, the turning remains more freed up than cylinders allow. With cylinders there is TOO MUCH AREA being compressed and the force on the truck ramps up TOO FAST as the truck swings. The reversed cone solves this issue, and because it can be firm, the centering can still be strong and stable.

    I am rolling with a SG Super cone Red 92A hourglass (2 cones stacked point-to-point) above and REVERSED Red 92Acone below and my turns can go twice as sharp, rebound is double, and my FUN has quadrupled.

    While you are welcome to your opinions and remaining stuck within the limits of cylinder cushions, me and my friends have recently produced some KICK-A$$ results on dozens of builds, even with JUST the four reversed RED 92A cones and nothing more. People who said this was not possible and then tried it could only say WOW, WOW, WOW!

    Would I advise using Super Cones for flying down hills at 30+ miles per hour? No, that is not the point. But for slalom and fun carving they cannot be beat, and at $1US each here in the USA, there is no better value for upgrading your skates.

    BEFORE with cylinders:

    AFTER with REVERSED cones on bottom:

    MY BEST TURNING SETUP:

    OUTDOOR BUILD- Nike Zoom Air BB shoe; Omega Plate; Ultimate 2 trucks; Purple 85A hourglass; Red 92A reversed cone:

    -Armadillo

    #266581

    Anonyme

    i’ll never give a try to this kind of setup.

    how could you be reactive and aggressive with a smoothy setup ?

    it could be good to turn around a round about or something round … i prefer to cross my legs, more style !!

    but if you’re happy and satisfied with that cones, use it 😉

    #266582

    personne
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    @Armadillo wrote:

    Your comment tells me that YOU HAVE NOT TRIED what I posted.

    I tried similar setups on my longboards (longboard have the same physical behaviour as quadskates). And there are a thousands of longboarders who also tried what you wrote (hourglass, reverse cone, smoother bushing down…). What I worote is the result of my experiences, which confirm the theory and the oponion of all others longboarders.

    You can read some stuff about bushings on silverfish.com

    But if you enjoy your new setup, then just skate with ! 🙂

    #266583

    Armadillo
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    @Mieszko wrote:

    i’ll never give a try to this kind of setup.

    how could you be reactive and aggressive with a smoothy setup ?

    it could be good to turn around a round about or something round … i prefer to cross my legs, more style !!

    but if you’re happy and satisfied with that cones, use it 😉

    If you « never give a try to this kind of setup » then you will never know what you are missing out on.

    For those who like to « carve » on tight arcs, this setup is outstanding.
    It is NOT a « smoothy », it only TURNS like a smoothy. Everything else is sturdy and stable.

    Comments from those who haven’t tried the reversed cone & hourglass setups are merely speculations. Not everyone may like the result, but don’t assume you can know what the result will be without skating it. It may surprise you.

    -Armadillo

    #266584

    Anonyme

    You know, we skate with extra hard bushings here. And our skates do’t turn so much and we love that.

    So you won’t convince skaters like Mieszko, even if you enjoy so much your new setup.

    #266585

    Armadillo
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    @Xavier wrote:

    You know, we skate with extra hard bushings here. And our skates do’t turn so much and we love that.

    So you won’t convince skaters like Mieszko, even if you enjoy so much your new setup.

    I used to have all NO TURNING skates too. Then I tweaked one pair to turn really easily without being LOOSE. Now I skate on only long wheelbase skates that turn very sharply and are still very stable at high speed too.
    There may be more things to love than just hard bushings, but until you are willing to try them, you just won’t know what they are.

    I have no problem with people NOT LIKING certain things, as long as they give them a fair try BEFORE telling me they don’t like them.
    As Albert Einstein appropriately stated it:
    « Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance »

    -Armadillo

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